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    Reply to “Comments on ‘On the Steadiness of Separating Meandering Currents’”

    Source: Journal of Physical Oceanography:;2012:;Volume( 042 ):;issue: 008::page 1371
    Author:
    Jan van Leeuwen, Peter
    ,
    De Ruijter, W. P. M.
    DOI: 10.1175/JPO-D-11-0213.1
    Publisher: American Meteorological Society
    Abstract: he authors thank Nof et al. for their comments on the authors? paper ?On the steadiness of separating meandering currents.? The authors? paper was motivated by a series of papers by Nof et al. Under a certain set of conditions (reduced gravity, steady state, no meridional velocity at outflow, and parallel outflow), Nof et al. showed that a separating and retroflecting frictionless current cannot be steady because of a momentum imbalance. The main conclusion of the authors? paper was that they agree with the Nof et al. result that a momentum imbalance exists and extended the proof to all possible configurations of retroflecting currents, even including friction. The authors? results point to a new mechanism for the generation of variability in the ocean that is not related to dynamical instability of the flow.The main claim in the comments is that the authors incorrectly argued in the appendix that the steady-state solutions presented by Nof et al. in several papers fulfill the extra constraint u2 = g?h. In the original paper, the authors showed that it follows from the geostrophic assumption stated implicitly in all these Nof et al. papers, because the flow is assumed to be parallel. Nof et al. now argue that the flow is only approximately geostrophic in all Nof et al. papers. The authors show in this reply that for steady weakly meandering outflows approximate geostrophy does lead to a momentum imbalance paradox as Nof et al. claim. However, for a steady strongly meandering outflow, approximate geostrophy is not enough and one has to use the method explored by van Leeuwen and De Ruijter to derive a momentum imbalance paradox.
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    contributor authorJan van Leeuwen, Peter
    contributor authorDe Ruijter, W. P. M.
    date accessioned2017-06-09T17:19:12Z
    date available2017-06-09T17:19:12Z
    date copyright2012/08/01
    date issued2012
    identifier issn0022-3670
    identifier otherams-83106.pdf
    identifier urihttp://onlinelibrary.yabesh.ir/handle/yetl/4226295
    description abstracthe authors thank Nof et al. for their comments on the authors? paper ?On the steadiness of separating meandering currents.? The authors? paper was motivated by a series of papers by Nof et al. Under a certain set of conditions (reduced gravity, steady state, no meridional velocity at outflow, and parallel outflow), Nof et al. showed that a separating and retroflecting frictionless current cannot be steady because of a momentum imbalance. The main conclusion of the authors? paper was that they agree with the Nof et al. result that a momentum imbalance exists and extended the proof to all possible configurations of retroflecting currents, even including friction. The authors? results point to a new mechanism for the generation of variability in the ocean that is not related to dynamical instability of the flow.The main claim in the comments is that the authors incorrectly argued in the appendix that the steady-state solutions presented by Nof et al. in several papers fulfill the extra constraint u2 = g?h. In the original paper, the authors showed that it follows from the geostrophic assumption stated implicitly in all these Nof et al. papers, because the flow is assumed to be parallel. Nof et al. now argue that the flow is only approximately geostrophic in all Nof et al. papers. The authors show in this reply that for steady weakly meandering outflows approximate geostrophy does lead to a momentum imbalance paradox as Nof et al. claim. However, for a steady strongly meandering outflow, approximate geostrophy is not enough and one has to use the method explored by van Leeuwen and De Ruijter to derive a momentum imbalance paradox.
    publisherAmerican Meteorological Society
    titleReply to “Comments on ‘On the Steadiness of Separating Meandering Currents’”
    typeJournal Paper
    journal volume42
    journal issue8
    journal titleJournal of Physical Oceanography
    identifier doi10.1175/JPO-D-11-0213.1
    journal fristpage1371
    journal lastpage1374
    treeJournal of Physical Oceanography:;2012:;Volume( 042 ):;issue: 008
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